[echo]

To all guild members. I have a proposition for you. I may have a way to keep people interested and draw in new attention.

It seems the most popular way people interact with each other (next to discussion) is through role play. Some people wont have the motivation to arrange pixels like we do, or the passion... but we are all literate (at least I would think you would have to be reading this). I propose an EGoS rp, managed and run by the existing members. It's complicated, but it can be made simple by dividing up the tasks. I think it would be successful if it were taken with moderate seriousness. I thought of it in the shower this morning, so it's still in the larva form. The cool inchworm larva, not the gross maggot kind. In reality, I know how quickly these things can fall short of success, but between the 10 of us we could pull it off. This is my attempt to organize something. Anyway, I can share with you what ideas I have.

1. First we would need to gather guild members
- I'm already in the process of gaining interest by presenting this.
- I'm looking for dedicated thinkers and doers who are creative, friendly, and will provide results.
- Good Spriters

2. Find common ground
- With a project this size in mind I'll need the help of other interested people (plus the variety of different creative minds would be excellent).
- A large part of this project will be the brainstorming. I have a bag of sunshine for just such an occasion that I'm eager to share.
- I'll need help developing a whole continent of cities, towns, cultures, geography, personalities, conflicts, etc. Even an economy.

3. Assign tasks
- While the development is underway, we would consider our strengths and weaknesses in the creative process.
- Some people will be better suited to (for example) draw up a map or design a conflict.
- With the work distributed amongst participating members, the project should progress quickly.

4. Get to work
- Since we are a guild, we are be able to share concepts and help complete assignments.
- This is a hobby so there is no need for deadlines (unless we can all agree on one).
- During this process we could "advertise" or at least let some people in, so that we have a non member group participation.

5. Launch prototype
- Expect some error
- Moderate


So in short that is my Massive EGoS RolePlay Concept, or M.E.R.C. I do have some ideas I've prepared, but I will hold off sharing them until I receive some feedback. Until then, I'll be anxiously awaiting your reply.

[Bunnystorm99]

I don't RP. Does that mean I'll be booted if I don't participate?

[Yoshi Quack]

But the fact that this is EGoS means that an RP is out of our element and not our style.


(And in all honesty, restarting RtV sounds like it'd be more productive and more fun.)

[Nitro]

Well, what we could do is redesign the classes in a way that doesn't look overtly schlocky, like some of them looked earlier.

I don't agree that an RP is the best choice, however, I agree with your basic idea of organized stuff.

[echo]

Well, Boney... not really. The idea is less of an RP then I've lead you to believe. I was hoping to make an interactive game that deals less with filling a role, but more of a "free exploration" concept. I want to borrow the premise of owning a single character that is subject to it's "surroundings" (being the playing field I wish to create) and apply that to a system of leveling based on activity. Sort of like a mmorpg, only less involved... and using the fire emblem template.

For example: Let's say I just joined (assuming this prototype is finished). I would choose a faction (or country) and choose a class (probably limited to each faction). From there a moderator would review and accept the character submission and create a mug and animated sprite (depending on the player's choices). From there I, as a player, will be introduced to my country and receive my equipment (which will add damage, defense, special effects, etc. even how the mug looks). I could go into further detail about how to gain experience and equipment, but that depends on where you begin...

So, as far as an rp goes, I can agree. It's not for everyone, but I'm attempting to attract a larger group of players. Of course for those who do enjoy it, there will be a story and a time line that could be used. As for moderators, we would direct the storyline, oversee item creation, and gain a workload equivalent to how many players join. Not to mention to be as creative as you like. I'm unsure how things will pick up after launching the project, but participation shouldn't be an issue. There will be other rosters to use in your place. Or you could allow a moderator to control your unit for you. But know that moderators will have the upper hand for putting the effort into it's creation by gaining some sort of stat boost or special gear.

@Yoshi Quack: I see your point. This is a guild for the purpose of spriting, specifically. Playing an online board game probably wont improve much. We would be flooded by "Role Players" Yet the requests we would receive for custom mugs and sprites would increase.

btw, what is RtV

[M.C MyZtery]

i think in the shower too xD.

and this seems like a good idea but as youve noticed EGoS doesnt have many rpers...

[Yoshi Quack]

RtV was... basically this. Roads to Victory, it was called. We had all sorts of custom classes and sprites for them, and it was basically going to be a free-roam text-based adventure when it was all done. Each country had its own style of government, so players could have becomes senators, or players could simply become gladiators, earning fame and fortune in various arenas. Or one could be a bounty hunter. Etc. Endless possibilities, but it never really took off.

[Smiley the Joker]

Well I feel like a RP is sending the wrong message out because as stated in our name we are spriters and not rpers. I feel bringing back RtV would be fucking awesome.

[Yosh]

The problem with RTV is that it required human work to run it and do all the battle calculating, levelups, etc. We proved that it was completely possible, but it was too much work. Apart from that failing, I'm proud to say that I still believe RTV was excellently planned and had an excellent system. It was beautifully designed, but having humans run it just didn't work out.

[echo]

Is there a way to find a calculator or some number generator for that?

Roads to victory sounds a lot like what I had in mind.

[Yoshi Quack]

But a human still had to run it. And people are biased, lazy, and overall worse than a computer for this sort of thing.

[Kanami]

I'm opposed to this idea in general, several points that make me think this is a hopeless project.
-Elitism! Honestly, an RP needs all the help it can get, making it an EGoS Rp is just stupid, most members don't RP and inviting new players because their RP'ers defeats the entire purposes of EGoS.
-Focus! It's shifting the purpose from nothing spriting to Rping. This... doesn't really sit well with me, since an RP's focus should be the Rping element, not how beautifully it can be presented. If you're like Espilon and are planning for a more spritefic/RP approach, I can see there's been a compromise, but the graphics in an RP aren't all that important, unless of course you're planning to do backgrounds, maps, animation, etcetc To the extent it looks like a small amateur game.
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Overall I think you've got a good concept going, and with significant tweaking it may be possible. However from your second post, it's clear you intend for this to be big, and the bigger an RP/Mmorpg gets, the harder it is to manage.
An RP usually focuses on a set group of people and their adventures, however in your scenario there's several (say 3) starting points, each will require at least a administrator, who interacts and plans the plot/gameplay, and at least someone supporting the system to help lessen the load of battle calcs, illegal moves, falsifying of records etcetc.
And don't tell me you can manage a kingdom/nation by yourself, as active as you may be, somewhere along the line, you'll get busy with RL and not be able to maintain this, regardless of length it's still a problem. And people often start these things enthusiastically and quickly lose interest. (I don't want to hear crap about being dedicated, since I've heard "I'm going to stick to this to then end" way too much).

While I don't like you! xD I do acknowledge that you're a relatively good Rp'er and perhaps capable of pulling off an administrative task in an RP, (WAFtT). However, it's probably best to start small and then slowly increase in size, plans/rules, opposed to just starting big, and having a colluseum sized RP with 3~4 people in it.

@Calc
Possible, just grab a coder somewhere xD Probably need to work out a battle system before working out things like that though, especially since using all the FE stats is a suicide move.

[echo]

I still like the idea of the free roaming fire emblem game. The role play idea can be recycled. I'd rather focus on a small amateur game like you mentioned.
Sounds like the two biggest threats are the calculations and the general upkeep. I don't like the idea of working on it for a while and then just handing it over as soon as it's finished.

I agree with you, Kanami, that starting out smaller would be wise. I'm simply getting ahead of myself. But I don't agree with a dinky 3~4 person colluseum style rp, where's the motivation? If I wanted that, I would have joined an existing one, like Kingsbane. Perhaps I made the mistake of initially labeling the project as an RP and maybe it was a bad idea asking the guild to host it. It's just, if I suggested this elsewhere I would most likely be on my own to draw up everything from scratch... I for one have no experience working with stats... So I'm shit out of luck to make one on my own.

I seem to be getting the same general response from everybody. Does this still sound unrealistic?
If I could change the direction of this, I would suggest resurrecting RtV, possibly.
I'll do some browsing to see what I can learn about battle calculations. From what I've seen, it's pretty complicated. More so than I had anticipated.

[Kanami]

No, no, no! xD A colluseum sized RP. Not a Colluseum RP.

Bob fight Sue
Sue yells Bob
Bob hit suits
Sue Dies
Bob doesn't get dinner tonight.

Is boring as hell, and while the above example is poor, it's pretty much what a colluseum RP is. And I don't approve ! xD
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I'm not sure what RtV is, (I know what the acronym is for) Personally I'm happy to contribute initial setup materials, (Maps, mugs) and flame review ideas, but upkeeping the game is something I can't be bothered staying loyal to, and I'm sure most people are the same. If you're not going to allow me to flame your battle calc, then "GOOD" advice is to keep it simple, complicated and fancy ones are only nice when computers do the calc. Less human calc = Less human work = Less human error, And God saw, it was good.
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What would EGoS's role be in such a project? Participation should be open to all, not just members. I suppose you could have them sprite original mugs (Kings/Queens & Leaders) of the continent. And possibly have them help create the original world. :/ I don't know,
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While I doubt there'll be any hard feelings are your prioritizing your project, or resurrecting EGoS in this now then?

[echo]

idk. I was planning for it to be open for all. Members would be allowed special privileges if they ever wanted to join, for aiding in it's creation.

It could be an opportunity to use the guild for what it was assembled for.
I discovered a calculator for fights, but nothing else...

[Yoshi Quack]

EGoS would be critical if RtV were to be realistically revived. About a year (maybe more) later, there's no doubt that those who were around the first time have improved their skills, so we could probably create all-new sprites for the third-tier classes. I guess I should let Yosh do his thing about just what RtV was, though, before we get ahead of ourselves more than we are already.

(Personally, I'd be down for a new RtV. The last one had SOOOOOO much potential.)

[Yosh]

Ugh. Look, RtV was awesome, and fun and all, but there's still the problem of needing humans to run it. I've really wanted to bring back RtV, so to speak, but coded properly so that it can run on its own.

[echo]

Alright. I might as well wait... until someone develops a fire emblem combat program. It was worth a shot

[Kanami]

xD Maybe once your grandkids are old and dying xD

Unless of course you hire/befriend some coder who's willing to do it for you.

So in other words,......

Idea scrapped! xD

[echo]

+1

thank you enthusiastic forum troll