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#1 Maverick

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 06:04 PM

So I'm not even American, but I think that the Presidential race this year is hysterical to watch, and the internet is tearing itself apart fighting over candidates. So I just wanna know where the 'mericans of FEEF stand on the matter.

 

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate I'm not completely opposed to. I've seen dozens of people call him an "communist", but I guess as a Canadian his stance just makes sense. A lot of the things he plans to implement are things that we've always done up here (Healthcare/tuition/etc.).

 

Hilary is too wishy-washy and seems willing to change her policies just for popularity. If she'd stop riding Obama and present her own ideas maybe I could take her seriously. Also, I love that the there are sects of "feminists" claiming that anyone who doesn't vote for Hilary is a bigot and supporting the patriarchy. I would love to see a woman in office, but only if there was one running who was capable. I would not be able to vote a woman in just to prove a point.

 

Despite being a generally conservative Christian, I can't stand behind any of the Republican candidates. Trump, for obvious reason. The rest of them just seem to lack any of the initiative or charisma to run a country.

 

Also, if by chance Trump does win, anyone looking to escape the country is welcome to come stay with me here in Canada.


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Posted 14 February 2016 - 07:38 PM

i think watching people freak out over the elections this year in particular is really funny simply because anyone who gets into office is going to be considered a shite president based on the fact that it'll be nearly impossible to solve many of the problems plaguing the US right now. not because the candidates are all incompetent(though whether this is true or not remains to be seen), but rather because there are problems that simply won't go away just because there's a new face in the white house. i do believe i'l sit out this year as far as voting goes.

 

inb4 "do your civic duty" i'm not the kind of person to not vote then complain when i hate the president. i know very well that i'm not going to like who wins the election this year regardless of who it is, so i'm just going to sit back and watch what happens for awhile.

 

Edit: i am a little curious as to how trump would handle being president though. i'm almost certain he wouldn't do well, but that doesn't change the fact that i'm interested. that said i really don't want to see that happen.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 01:17 AM

So I'm not even American, but I think that the Presidential race this year is hysterical to watch, and the internet is tearing itself apart fighting over candidates. So I just wanna know where the 'mericans of FEEF stand on the matter.
 
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate I'm not completely opposed to. I've seen dozens of people call him an "communist", but I guess as a Canadian his stance just makes sense. A lot of the things he plans to implement are things that we've always done up here (Healthcare/tuition/etc.).
The Bern Man is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist - which basically means he believes in a government structure where the people vote for leaders (as opposed to the fascist socialism that has been done in the Soviet Union), but believes in the economic system of socialism (all people deserve to have money and live decently, as opposed to the capitalist doctrine wherein a select few people have a ton of wealth and leave the rest of the society poor and scraping by). So calling him a communist isn't TOO far off from the truth. But it's not like all of his radical ideas are actually going to pass, unless we had a bunch of other bleeding heart commies in the house and senate.
 
Hilary is too wishy-washy and seems willing to change her policies just for popularity. If she'd stop riding Obama and present her own ideas maybe I could take her seriously. Also, I love that the there are sects of "feminists" claiming that anyone who doesn't vote for Hilary is a bigot and supporting the patriarchy. I would love to see a woman in office, but only if there was one running who was capable. I would not be able to vote a woman in just to prove a point.
Actually, in general, the feminist movement is Feeling The Bern. Hillary doesn't take a strong stance on very many of the big feminist issues. Bernie, on the other hand, is VERY pro-choice, all about equal rights, fair pay, etc.
Plus we're far enough along in history that most modern feminists understand the concept of intersectionality and Berndawg is very forward in his stance on gay rights, racial justice, etc., while Hillary was one of the last big names of the left to get on board with those kinds of issues.
It's hella narrow to say that not voting Hillary is voting against feminism.

 
Despite being a generally conservative Christian, I can't stand behind any of the Republican candidates. Trump, for obvious reason. The rest of them just seem to lack any of the initiative or charisma to run a country.
I always found it ironic that Christianity and conservatism overlapped. I never really saw the connection. Jesus straight up preaches communism, which is a total leftist ideology, and spoke out against greed and people who clung to their wealth, whereas the republican party is all about keeping rich people rich.
But yeah, all of the republican candidates suck. Especially Trump.

 
Also, if by chance Trump does win, anyone looking to escape the country is welcome to come stay with me here in Canada.
legit considering this btw
 
 
i think watching people freak out over the elections this year in particular is really funny simply because anyone who gets into office is going to be considered a shite president based on the fact that it'll be nearly impossible to solve many of the problems plaguing the US right now. not because the candidates are all incompetent(though whether this is true or not remains to be seen), but rather because there are problems that simply won't go away just because there's a new face in the white house. i do believe i'l sit out this year as far as voting goes.
 
inb4 "do your civic duty" i'm not the kind of person to not vote then complain when i hate the president. i know very well that i'm not going to like who wins the election this year regardless of who it is, so i'm just going to sit back and watch what happens for awhile.
 
Edit: i am a little curious as to how trump would handle being president though. i'm almost certain he wouldn't do well, but that doesn't change the fact that i'm interested. that said i really don't want to see that happen.
Please just vote against Trump. Please please please. I'm not okay with my tax money going towards the "great wall of trump"




Anyways, my two cents:
I understand that Bernie Sanders isn't a perfect candidate, despite what a lot of his following would say. But he is different, and I can get behind most of his ideas. I'm Feeling The Sand. However, if he doesn't make it past the primaries, Hillary will, and even though I'm not a strong supporter of Hillary, I would still 100% get on board if it comes down to her vs ANY of the right wing candidates.
However, if Hillary wins the dem primaries and Trump doesn't win the republican primaries, I'll probably throw my vote away on some third party candidate, just to help boost the visibility of other parties, ya know? I don't like the idea of a 2-party system. It's kinda silly.

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:11 AM

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:43 AM

i want to work on the great wall of trump tbh. trumprian's wall, trump's western wall, trumplin wall, walls of trumproy, the walls of storump, walls of babytrump, great trumpbabwe walls, sacsaytrumpan.

 

the other "most famous wall" is the vietnam vet wall so i can't really make a trump joke there.

 

>insert small loan of a million dollars here

 

but for real i'm a great example of not knowing shit about the presidential race, prolly support sanders though.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 04:37 AM

due to the corrupt nature of the 2-party system, the choice between candidates is largely a joke. the winner will toe the party line, period. if they werent willing to do so, they wont win the nomination, no matter how much they (ahem trump) try to convince you otherwise. even if they wanted to do their own thing, they couldn't. every promise they make is an utter and complete joke. the only value in it is seeing what they consider an ideal vision for the country - what they'll actually be able to achieve is only baby steps in one direction or the other. 

 

that being said, i'd like to see an election between sanders and carson. unfortunately, it's looking more like clinton vs trump, with clinton victorious. that's a shame, because the dems say clinton is the better choice over sanders because "sanders can't win" - but if trump is the republican nominee, the dem nominee will ultimately win. and cruz isn't strong enough to win either. calling it folks, the dem nominee will win, and it will most likely be clinton... which is a fuckin shame. i'm sick of the dynasty shit.

 

trump is a disingenuous cocksucker with a massive ego.

cruz is a slimy nitwit.

clinton is a power-hungry cunt with too much corruption

sanders makes promises that are beyond his ability.

 

they're all shits, but the last shit is the one i'd take a gamble on.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 06:00 AM

Popular media is making it LOOK like Trump and Hillary have total domination over their respective parties, but raw numbers show that the left wing is a mild slobberknocker that could go to one of two candidates, while the right wing is an utter donnybrook, possibly even qualifying as a brewhaha, though not QUITE as messy as a clusterfuck, but of the 5 (Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz, and Bush 3: This Time It's Personal), any could come out on top.
Media is controlled by money, more than anything. The truth is, the Bern Man has had a ton of momentum from the start. Prior to the first debates, he began sweeping the nation from the bottom of the internet, gaining huge popularity among the youth via people talking about him on tumblr, reddit, and probably a bunch of other hip, user-run, interactive media outlets that I'm not familiar with. After the first dem debate, the internet fucking broke. Google searches during/after the debate for Bernie Sanders were dramatically higher than google searches relating to any other candidate. And I believe it was CNN (or some other for-profit, controlled-by-money news source) posted a poll on facebook asking people who they were most interested in after the debate, but within like 6 hours they took down the poll because they were heavily funded by Clinton money and the poll results were hella Bernie-favored.
It has taken media some time to catch up to reality and start admitting that Bernie has a very strong chance at winning this primary, and ultimately this election.



But yeah you're right. I think whoever wins the dem primary wins the election. The republicans all look like shitty candidates, and that's not my inner commie coming out, that's just objective facts right there.

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 08:36 AM

trump is a raging fucking lunatic

 

 

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:10 PM

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:39 PM

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 02:49 PM

i do believe i'l sit out this year as far as voting goes.

 

inb4 "do your civic duty" i'm not the kind of person to not vote then complain when i hate the president. i know very well that i'm not going to like who wins the election this year regardless of who it is, so i'm just going to sit back and watch what happens for awhile.

 

Just wanna make a quick comment on this. I didn't participate when we held our vote for Prime Minister here last year (which actually cost me the friednship I had with a social-justice obsessed feminist girl I've known for years, but that's a whole different discussion) because I simply didn't agree with either candidate, and wanted nothing to do with the process whatsoever. In exchange, I have made a personal promise not to complain about or criticize whatever the government decides to do.

 

 

Actually, in general, the feminist movement is Feeling The Bern. Hillary doesn't take a strong stance on very many of the big feminist issues. Bernie, on the other hand, is VERY pro-choice, all about equal rights, fair pay, etc.
Plus we're far enough along in history that most modern feminists understand the concept of intersectionality and Berndawg is very forward in his stance on gay rights, racial justice, etc., while Hillary was one of the last big names of the left to get on board with those kinds of issues.
It's hella narrow to say that not voting Hillary is voting against feminism.

 I always found it ironic that Christianity and conservatism overlapped. I never really saw the connection. Jesus straight up preaches communism, which is a total leftist ideology, and spoke out against greed and people who clung to their wealth, whereas the republican party is all about keeping rich people rich.

 

That's true, which is why I specified that it's only certain sects. I actually remember seeing an interview where a woman was livid with a campus feminist group for supporting Bernie, and claimed they were "throwing away an opportunity to put a woman in office". A little quick research clearly shows that amongst most feminist groups Bernie is the front runner.

 

I guess it really only comes down to the gay rights and abortion arguments, and it seems most Christian groups can't overlook those issues to see that the republican/conservative parties are really not doing anything right in regards to properly handling the economy and other political stuff, they're just blinded by that junk.

 

I come from the Canada equivalent of the "Deep South" where most people subscribe to the "Repent or burn" approach to the gospel, unfortunately. When it comes to political arguments, they only care about stopping the gays and stopping abortions.

 

I'm a total black sheep for where I come from, but homosexuality should have no bearing on rights. The only point at which I have an issue would be forcing Churches that are opposed to it perform ceremonies (which isn't even a concern, tbh). I'm okay with legal homosexual marriage though.

 

We're not gonna stop abortion either. I'm pro-life to the point where it is senisble, and believe that abortion should absolutely be used as the last option. However, at the very least it should be kept regulated and as safe as possible for anyone who decides to do it.

 

I'm far more concerned with seeing the unfortunate receive aid, veterans get benefits they deserve, the every man be able to live his life without sacrificing every second he lives earning money to scrape by.

 

I haven't been super into politics for at least a couple years, so maybe I'm way off the mark but this is just my two cents.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 06:05 PM

If all you American liberals and folks outside the US are shaking your heads at the current field, imagine how frustrating it is to be an actual right-winger and have to watch the antics of the assholes who are supposed to be representing your viewpoints.

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 08:17 PM

i largely agree with you, mav. i think most sensible people are more middle-of-the-road on political issues but the parties have to go to opposite extremes in order to be sufficiently different from the other. it's absurd.


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 01:51 AM

Anyone who isn't trying to be part of an extreme though will only be considered indecisive by one of the two major parties, and from there won't have any chance of becoming president. Mixed ideals are generally a good thing though as long as it doesn't cause to many giant contradictions. Example: I consider myself a Christian though many of my more orthodox brothers would disagree with me, but I'm also firmly a liberal thinker. One of my very unpopular beliefs is that not everything in the Bible is straight from God. *gasp* you mean the disciples put their own opinions into what they wrote, and then translators later did the same? That's never happened a thousand times in the past. Anyway I digress the current election system is very prone to corruption, so the best I can do is just vote for whoever seems like they would uphold the same types of off ideals that I support, whether they be a perfect match or not.


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 01:59 AM

i largely agree with you, mav. i think most sensible people are more middle-of-the-road on political issues but the parties have to go to opposite extremes in order to be sufficiently different from the other. it's absurd.
Actually, in my experience, people who've considered their positions well tend to have pretty out-there opinions, but they're hard to put in one of the conventional boxes

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 12:15 AM

I'm a strong believer in voting for who you truly fully agree with. I don't know a lot about politics and economics or any of that. What I do know is, I don't like judgmental republicans that think the government should be all up in your business and tell you what you can and can't do cause it's against whatever religious law(despite the fact that Christianity is supposed to be about an all forgiving God and how everyone sins, lol. Their religious laws are clearly misinterpreted). But I also don't like the idea of high taxes or being fined for not paying something I should have a choice in. Chances are if I bother voting, I'll look into the independent candidates. I'm registered as an independent and I don't believe that voting for someone you fully agree with is "wasting your vote" as they say. Maybe if more middle of the road people thought the way I do, we'd get someone middle of the road for once and get rid of this notion that independents aren't actual candidates. I mean, what's more effective, not voting at all cause you dislike both candidates, or making that vote for an independent because at least you gave another vote to someone you like and agree with?



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 03:38 AM

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 05:03 AM

I'm a strong believer in voting for who you truly fully agree with. I don't know a lot about politics and economics or any of that. What I do know is, I don't like judgmental republicans that think the government should be all up in your business and tell you what you can and can't do cause it's against whatever religious law(despite the fact that Christianity is supposed to be about an all forgiving God and how everyone sins, lol. Their religious laws are clearly misinterpreted). But I also don't like the idea of high taxes or being fined for not paying something I should have a choice in. Chances are if I bother voting, I'll look into the independent candidates. I'm registered as an independent and I don't believe that voting for someone you fully agree with is "wasting your vote" as they say. Maybe if more middle of the road people thought the way I do, we'd get someone middle of the road for once and get rid of this notion that independents aren't actual candidates. I mean, what's more effective, not voting at all cause you dislike both candidates, or making that vote for an independent because at least you gave another vote to someone you like and agree with?

The only instances in American history of minor parties becoming major parties at the federal level were preceded by the death of one of the existing major parties. That being said, minor parties can and have seen a fair amount of success at the state level, and major parties often assimilate planks from minor party platforms (cf. Greenback Party).

Also, I'm not sure what other beliefs you might have that would cause you to classify yourself overall as middle-of-the-road, but the only party I can think of that hits every point you mention is the Libertarian Party, which is and shall remain a fringe group.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 06:15 AM

Since Mav wanted 'merican opinions I'mma pop in here. 

Trump is openly insane

Trumps opposition is full of less funny failure

Hillary is a full on fucking monster, the cover ups have been real as fuck so not many people notice. 

Bernie is probably the one I'll vote for just so the others don't get it, not because I particularly want him as prez. 

 

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Hillary will start CWII, and it will suck

Vote Bernie so we don't all fucking die. 


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